Laura Vogel missing in Hawaii….still, theories


I’m very disturbed by this whole case and the theories and conspiracies that are going around.

Yes it’s very sad that Laura Vogel is missing, possibly dead. I’m very sorry.

Her family believes that she was assaulted and thrown into the ocean.

I know you are frustrated about all this. It’s heartbreaking.

Investigations shows that her phone was used 2x after her last text message stating “she’s meeting the locals”

The police didn’t find enough evidence to link anyone to her abduction or murder.

In the area she was last known to be, has very high cliffs that drops down into the ocean.

Back to the phone…. They called the number and they (family) stated that a “ruff” sounding man answered and that he doesn’t sound like anyone she would know or associate with.

Now now now, that is just wrong. So she only knows people who sound sweet?

If she doesn’t know people that sound ruff and tough then what was she doing hanging out in a known homeless camp-out area and meeting with these types of people? Obviously she was the one who made the call to that man, probably saying, I’m here now, where are you?

Now this theory sounds more like it.

She threw her phone in the car, left the door open, so there would be some light and left her wallet in there too, just so she can kill some time and go check out the cliffs edge.

Then, guess what happens next?

There was so sign of foul play.

Now to get into the head of these homeless people. Some have had run ins with the law in the past.

Now, if they knew who she was, do you think they would say, yes I know her?

They don’t trust Anybody! They say they know her and they become instant suspects!

If these homeless men killed her, it was for no reason. They didn’t steal her car, her phone, her wallet, nothing!

Media and family of Laura are saying that in Hawaii we cover up murders involving Caucasians in Hawaii, because its bad for our industry.

Oh my god! That is such a load of crap!

I remember seeing her face everywhere! Everyone was looking for her!

Murder happens in Hawaii, just like or not as much as other places in the world.

If a murder happens, we’ll see it on the news.

To tell you the truth. Most murders in Hawaii are committed by guess what kind of locals.
Most homeless people in Hawaii are from the mainland. Of course there are all of many ethnicities. depending on what island you are talking about.
Honestly, each island has its own “theme” shall I say. Each island is filled with different ethnicities. That’s why Hawaii as a whole is known as the “melting pot”
Only about 15% or less of Hawaii’s people is of Hawaiian decent.
Now when you make comments of us being criminals, you better really think about what you are saying.
If you feel that we don’t have enough resources to conduct a proper investigation, you should blame the US government, it’s up to them to fund Hawaii with “proper resources”

It all comes down to each individual though. I guess you just have to hope to work with, that one person who truly gives a hoot with all their heart to really get some results. That’s in any case, but I know you already know that.

I just think its ridiculous to say that Hawaiians are criminals from the moment we stepped onto Hawaii. So not true! We are human beings like everyone else. Some are good and some are bad. Like I said, not many Hawaiians lefts in Hawaii.

They also claim that its a cover up. Local law enforcement concluded that she probably committed suicide or accidentally fell into the ocean.

Why would local law enforcement cover up a murder unless they were involved in it themselves?
This doesn’t make any sense.
Hmmmm.

I’m also pretty sure that none of these remarks you (hawaiian_tv person and mainland media) make about Hawaii, help to find her.

If this was a murder…

Don’t you think that they would find some kind of blood or something? Maybe pieces of clothing torn from the rocks? Or how about some torn hair? Or missing personal items? Anything?

Okay and how about the locals she was meeting?

If she was meeting with her nice sweet voice friends, maybe they would’ve tried calling her phone, wondering where she is? Not saying she wasn’t meeting anyone.

Well if they didn’t call her, then maybe they are the ones who killed her. or maybe ahe said she was meeting with the locals just so that her family wouldn’t worry about her being alone all the time. Hmmmm. People do, do that.

Or maybe, she was calling these locals to ask, where did you say you guys were hanging out again?
2nd short call, okay I think I’m lost. Or I’m at a lighthouse.

Maybe there was foul play involved, with no evidence? I must say that Those are some really good criminals. They can hide evidence and find evidence they left behind, IN THE DARK!

trying to look at it at all angles. So many theories run through my head.

I have to send a shout out to this asshole from hawaiian-tv….. You are an idiot. You are so illiterate and just plain stupid, you don’t even know it. I dislike people who see Hawaii people as savages and cannibals, and criminals who were kicked out of Tahiti and tonga to live in Hawaii and ate the menehunes.
Sounds funny to you right? Well this guy or gal was serious when he said these things.
Just because we don’t have a huge ass mall, doesn’t mean we are savages.
I hate hearing people say that shit. They say it’s like visiting another country because we don’t have a huge mall.
Like I said earlier, the Hawaiian islands has sort of a theme per island. If you want a HUGE mall, go to Oahu!
I don’t mind the “it’s like visiting another country” part, it’s when you add “because we don’t have a huge mall” that really irritates me.

Here’s a tip for people coming to Hawaii on vacation or going on vacation to anywhere in the world:

Treat people the way you would want to be treated. ( not saying she didn’t do this )

Hawaii locals take it very personally when you don’t show gratitude and appreciation.
It’s their nature to be kind and welcoming. We call this spreading the aloha! Don’t talk about how you vacation sucks around local people. How would you like us to go to your home and talk crap? Like I said earlier, in Hawaii we take it very personally if you don’t show gratitude and respect because its in our nature to be kind and respectful. So don’t be surprised to get snapped at for saying something wicked to us. We love our land and each other. We also love to be nice to people, but if you are mean, we hate to be mean back because it hurts our hearts and we take it very personally.

Here’s another tip for going on a vacation, not just to Hawaii, but to anywhere in the world:
Don’t go alone!
Don’t hangout with the wrong crowd!
Don’t camp anywhere that isn’t a real camping ground!
Don’t treat people disrespectfully. ( not saying she did this)

You never know what kind of person you will come across or what kind of danger you might get yourself in.

Abducted, murdered or suicide or a staged death? Could she still be alive? Which ever it is, maybe one day we will all finally be able to rest.

What do you think?

Where is she?

I think some time has passed for someone to finally fess up! Then again, I think she died of an accidental death.
Rest in peace Laura. I’m sure you were a great woman. You were adventurous and fun. You were blessed to die doing what you loved.
Then again, a lady like herself, she may be traveling around the world or maybe she lost her memory? Hmmmmm????. That’s something to think about.

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17 Responses to Laura Vogel missing in Hawaii….still, theories

  1. Catherine Honey-Hollister says:

    I love your story, your sense of humor but most of all, your loyality to the Hawaiian people…

  2. sara says:

    IT MAKES SENSE ALL THAT. I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, GO MORE IN DEEP FROM MY ALL EXPERIENCES. THE MAJORITY OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE ON DRUGS COMBINE WITH ALCOHOLISM AND MENTAL ISSUES. I NEVER BEEN TO HAWAII, WOULD LOVE TO. I SEEN A LOT PROGRAMS AND READ ABOUT HAWAII SO I THINK I CAN COMMENT,BUT I NEVER BEEN THERE SO I GOING TO TALK ABOUT TO MY EXPERIENCES. I BEEN HOMELESS IN ABANDOMINIUMS FROM TIME TO TIME, A DAY, A MONTH, AT ONE TIME IF I COULDN’T FIND MONEY I WALKED ALL NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY I SLEEP IN A PARK HAVING A FRIEND WATCH OVER ME OR GOT ON A BUS TO THE FIRST STOP TO THE LAST TO TAKE A SAFE NAP. I WAS ON DRUGS, HANGED WITH DRUG ADDICTS AND OTHER HOMELESS. THEY GOOD AND BAD, SOME ROB PEOPLE BUT THE MAJORITY GET ROB BY PEOPLE FROM THE HOOD TARGETING NEW PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THEY THOUGHT HAD MONEY A $50 OR 20 IS LIKE A MILLION TO SOME. CAMPS LIKE U TALKING ABOUT HERE IF I WAS HER, FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE I HAD BUT ONE REASON TO GO THERE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHERE THE GOOD DRUGS ARE, PROBABLY MET THE GUY B4 BEGIN OR LOOKING LIKE HE USE AND SHE STOP HIM AND HE GOT HER SOMETHING, SO I AM THINKING SHE GOT HIS PHONE, CALLED HIM, WENT TO MEET HIM THERE WHY? HE COULD HAD TOLD HER SOMEONE THERE HAD SOME GOOD SHIT, SO SHE TAKES SOME MONEY LEAVE THE WALLET AND OTHER STUFF IN CASE SHE GET SET UP OR JUST TAKE WHAT SHE NEED FOR THE SAME REASON OR IN CASE IS NOT GOOD TO WALK AWAY WITH MINIMAL LOST, SHE MAKES THE CALL, THE PERSON MEETS HER AND SOMETHING WENT BAD, SHE BEEN SET UP OR SHE DID WHAT SHE CAME FOR AND SOMEONE WANTED SEX AND SHE SAID NO OR SOMEONE FROM THE CAMP DECIDED TO ROB HER OR ATTACK HER GETTING MAD WHEN SHE HAD NO MONEY ON HER BECAUSE THEY THOUGH SHE HAD A LOT AT LEAST A 50 OR 100. I DO NOT KNOW HER IS JUST A THOUGHT AND IS WITH REASON. FAMILY MEMBERS SOMETIMES ARE NOT AWARE OF OTHERS LIKES OR HABITS EVEN RECREATIONAL. MY MOM WOULD SAY NO SHE WONT GO AND DO THAT. IT IS SOMETHING JUST TO THINK ABOUT, NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED BUT THE SITUATION MAKES ME THINK LIKE THAT.

  3. sara says:

    another thing it could had been she fell and nobody knows because she was by herself and the phone someone found it and the person had nothing to do with her been missing

  4. Ukumehame says:

    Whew, I don’t really know where to start.
    First of all, I’m from Maui. I’m a haole. I love the Hawaiian people, and they are generally really wonderful people. I love the Hawaiian culture and history. The periodic violence/disappearances that happen out at Pauwela Point, where Laura disappeared, has nothing to do with “Hawaiians” per se. It has to do with an accepted island sub-culture of drugs, violence, lawlessness, and anti-haole feelings.

    Before you open your mouth and spout your silly theories about Laura Vogel committing suicide or accidentally falling, you need to consider a few things. Think about Astara Evenstar, the haole girl who was taken from her family by child services, abused and gang-raped periodically in foster care, then disappeared one night out at Pauwela Point. You need to think about Yeshua Boerstler, nice, kindhearted haole boy who was murdered out at Pauwela Point, they ran over his head multiple times because he tried to stop a girl from being raped (and it is known who did it, but no one is ever arrested of course). You need to think about the haole man who was run off the Pauwela dirt road and had his eye gouged out by a drugged up local Hawaiian dude. Then after you’ve thought about those incidences, only then should you start thinking about and considering the fate of Laura Vogel out at Pauwela Point.

    Instead of blind “loyalty” to Hawaiians or to “locals”, why don’t you value actual JUSTICE….instead of trying to name off every ridiculous excuse you can so that the psychos who camp and party out Pauwela Point don’t get blamed for what happened to Laura Vogel. Disgusting… You think just because of someone’s light skin color or blonde hair, anything goes because they’re getting what they deserve? That’s some sick ass shit. Just because the corrupt cops won’t point the finger at the individuals who did it, the names of the likely perpetrators are still on people’s lips. People know. Those people should pay, regardless of what their ethnicity is. You should want that for the islands, justice for ANY victim, regardless of their background.

    • bernurban says:

      If you read the whole article you would know that I only defended certain points others were making that I felt were not cool. Before I wrote this, I did my research. I approved your message because of your passion and care for people. I believe that those people in the camp did do something to her, no doubt. I didn’t say because you your skin color they get what they deserve. I warned visitors traveling alone to not camp out in these types or areas. Trust me, I want justice and I strongly believe that the Maui police department needs to get off their ass and do more investigating. My comment on race was directed personally on certain mainland reporters and certain blogger, which made me defend the local people. I wasn’t being racist. Someone in her family said the guy on the phone didn’t sound like someone she would associate herself with because of his tough voice. Well, what kind of people does she associate herself with? Only sweet sounding people.
      I think maybe, you should do your research on this particular case before you run your mouth about anything. BTW, I have not one single drop of hawaiian blood in me. I was born and raised in hawaii, lived in other parts of the United States. I live with aloha in my heart. I believe in equal rights, protecting the people and every living thing on this earth and the earth itself. Trust me I want justice. The fate part about Laura, was to give myself hope or maybe to get input or maybe someone who knows the truth would somehow see this and give us the answer or maybe if Laura is still alive she would somehow see this and know that even after all these years WE are all liking for her, people that don’t even know her. How dare the media say that the people of hawaii aren’t looking, we’ve looked and searched for someone, we don’t even know. I hate to say that she was an addict or had horrible addictions especially about someone who has so many people who love her. What if she is gone forever by death or just doesn’t want to be found. I would hate for her family to think of her as this type of person they thought they knew, I don’t know her so I can’t say any of that is true.

    • bernurban says:

      And that’s why the title includes the word “theories”

    • bernurban says:

      Also, things happen to all kinds of people everyday. This article was about Laura Vogel missing, whom went on a camping vacation alone in a known homeless camp filled with drunks and addicts.

    • bernurban says:

      I was directing my comments about the hawaiian to a blogger whom calls hisself hawaiian something. Don’t remember his name now. But if you read my blog again and then search that guy you will see why I was so offended by his comments about this case. Thank you

    • bernurban says:

      After reading your comment to me, I am even more convinced you didn’t read the whole thing AND you know nothing about this case. My theories are not my own, I only put it out there even more. The point is WHERE is she, WHAT really happen and how MANY WHOS were involved?

    • bernurban says:

      The reason I use the word “locals” is because that’s the word she used when talking to a family member. She actually said she was meeting up with the “locals”

  5. Ukumehame says:

    Thank you for responding and I’m sorry if I was rude. I have read some of your other blog posts and you seem like a nice person. I really applaud you for sticking up for animal rights, gay rights, etc.

    Secondly, yes I did read your blogpost and yes I am knowledgeable about the Laura Vogel case – and the other cases of violence out at Pauwela Point. You chose to switch gears in this blogpost and start a diatribe about how mainlanders or malihinis are offensive to locals because they complain about some aspect of life in the islands. Well, some haoles are spoiled and like to complain about superficial stuff, that’s just how it is unfortunately. But some things are legitimately worth complaining about, and I’m talking about the lack of justice for victims of violence.

    Anyway…that area of Maui (Ha’iku) is a strange area because it’s an area of beautiful rolling hills that has a lot nice houses & wealthy haoles, but it also has a native Hawaiian presence. In fact, near Pauwela Point when the highways dips down into Maliko Gulch there’s a sign that says something about that area of land being a part of sovereign Hawaii. It’s an area that has lots of wealthy haoles and some native Hawaiians who want independence, and of course the homeless who have set up camp in the area. The thing is, violence happens at *this specific location* over and over again and nothing is ever done about it. Apparently some cops go there to party too. Pauwela Point is a scenic destination and people go there to see the view and explore the cliffs and pools during the daytime. That is apparently why Laura Vogel wanted to camp there, I’m sure she thought it was a desolate area where she could spend a quiet night camping, looking out over the ocean. She didn’t realize it was a homeless encampment and a place where people go to party. I think she was *most likely* gang-raped and disposed of out in the ocean. The names of the most likely-perpetrators are known, but justice just doesn’t come easy in the islands.

    Thank you for clarifying your thoughts and again, I’m sorry if I was rude in my initial post. I just don’t like to see people making excuses for people who commit horrible crimes. If someone’s guilty, then they should be punished. Period. Even if they’re from my same background, even if they’re from my own family. That’s just how I see it.

    And if you’re interested, here’s a story about a bloody assault on a woman by a homeless guy that occurred only a few miles down the road from where Laura Vogel disappeared:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:55vLZzvsakAJ:www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/559470.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Here is news story of a haole guy mysteriously found dead right in Maliko Gulch, which is the exact location I mentioned that has those Hawaii Sovereign signs, only a couple miles from Pauwela Point. It was later revealed he died of a gunshot wound. No one ever charged…:
    http://mauinow.com/2011/11/15/body-found-on-maui-was-missing-hiker/

    So anyway, my point is that violence occurs all the time in that area of Maui, which is weird because it’s a nice, wealthy area…but the drug-addicted/drunk homeless people set up camp and bad things happen. I know one guy who swears the reason is because it’s the spirits of Kamehameha’s dead warriors hanging out and causing people to act like that, remnants of an old battle that happened as they marched toward Wailuku. Spooky to think about. That is the dark side of the islands, the side that no one wants to talk about: the violence and the frequent lack of justice.

    • bernurban says:

      Thank you for the description I really appreciate it. I tried a map. I got a better understanding now. I have to say one more thing. So many things I needed to add but couldn’t because it may be used against me. I’ll email you.

  6. Ukumehame says:

    Hi, thank you kindly for your responses, and I appreciate the PM about the crazy goings-on on the Big Island. It’s all very upsetting. Sounds like it is not just Maui that is experiencing these problems. I have actually heard that Big Island is worse than Maui! That’s really unfortunate. I want to have compassion for the homeless in Hawaii – I know a huge majority have serious addictions and/or mental health problems – but the way they move in and perpetuate instability and violence…..no one feels safe, including them. It’s a very, very serious and complicated issue in Hawaii, as you know.

    You are so right about not staying somewhere by yourself. I do hike and stuff by myself, but when the sun goes down, the character of a place can change and become menacing and crazy. And I’m quiet and mellow – I don’t like menacing & crazy! lol. Best to always be with someone and stay overnight somewhere familiar.

    And yes, I pray someone talks too eventually about what happened to Laura. It is disturbing that someone can just disappear under very suspicious and disturbing circumstances, and then people just let it go. I lived in Haiku back in ‘08, just a few miles further up the highway from this place where this happened. You know, I am very SHOCKED that the many haoles who live in the area are so passive. Are you kidding me? This one spot has seen the murder/disappearance of 3 innocent people – all haole – and violence against many more, and none of the haoles in the community do anything about it! It’s weird, it’s like they just bend over and take it up the tail-pipe (excuse my French). If those murders had happened to Hawaiians or some local people, you just know that the local community would be super pissed-off and people would go out there and attempt to execute some vigilante justice. I don’t know why the haoles of Haiku are so passive, they just turn a blind eye to the violence that is right under their nose and pretend like there’s no problem. So strange. My God…
    I do admire the local people for having a voice and being tough. Sometimes haoles just like to stick their head in the sand and pretend everything is rainbows and ice cream cones. LOL

    Anyway, thank you for letting me vent. I hope other people who care about Laura Vogel and what happened will find your blogpost and will chime in too. You have a very nice blog and your words have wisdom & aloha. Take care.

  7. Greg Hill says:

    Locals killed Laura Vogel and not only her but many other people, the local pigs know who killed Laura and are not doing anything about it. Criminals protect their fellow criminals
    That is because Hawaiians are still pissed off about American taking their island and nullifying their monarchy. I lived on Maui for 4 years and it is the most racist place I have ever been and I have lived all over the USA. Hawaiians were cannibals, Hawaiians are notoriously blood thirsty and savage. I think that the government should give the Hawaiian islands back to the Hawaiians, we can get by with 49 states alright. Leave them to their own devices in the middle of the pacific, let them kill one another off.

  8. Will says:

    I’m a former student of ms vogels. She taught enriched biology at the high school I went to. She was a very inspiring figure. I remember stories of her witnessing nuclear explosions. I also remember she used to have us try and use telepathy to guess colors or objects from others peoples minds. It’s a strange, and honestly sadening, coincidence that she disappeared on my birthday. I did not know this until very recently, as in the very night of this posting. It stands to reason that because of her background in biology perhaps she was in Hawaii for a greater purpose than just tutoring and camping. Afterall my short time with ms Vogel revealed how involved she was, and how deeply she seemed to care for the environment. In light of research about possible weather modification techniques, geo engineering “contrails”, and facilities located on Hawaiian islands that manipulated the ionosphere, I had a strange thought. A thought that may not have any truth in it, kind of a shot in the dark. Is it at all possible that ms Vogel was involved in researching and compiling data related to the biology on the islands and how it may be effected by weather pattern disturbances? To be honest, I have no knowledge of her life in Hawaii outside of a few articles on her dissapearence. I have no reason to make these connections. Maybe strange disappearances call for strange explanations. Or perhaps, the human psyche, in this instance mine, constructs correlations in order to cope with seemingly unjust deaths. Either way I had to say something, somewhere. If ms Vogel had that much of an impact on me, then I’m sure she touched others peoples loves. I’d liken her to a beacon, a bright light, illuminating minds, and hearts. Best wishes to those closest to her, and to her spirit.

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